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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 0:21:30 GMT -5
It would really help if you backed that up with something, Andrew. I have no clue what you're talking about.
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 25, 2005 0:29:16 GMT -5
you made a personal remark to avoid my arguement, so i made one back.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 0:32:34 GMT -5
I made a personal remark to illustrate your argument. If I'm wrong tell me. But I'm not.
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 25, 2005 0:35:28 GMT -5
my arguement wasn't that i'm open minded, though.
i said if being open minded is easy, why are so many people not? myself included. i'm not completely open minded.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 0:39:40 GMT -5
Not everyone does things that are easy. Also, most people that claim to be "open minded" are (as I said earlier) just weak people without opinions. Letting other people decide how you should think is really easy.
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 25, 2005 0:44:37 GMT -5
in america? yeah we're a hard working bunch with our drive-throughs and such.
if they are truly open minded they can easily forget what someone else told them is true and accept something else.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 0:46:20 GMT -5
What?
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 25, 2005 0:57:01 GMT -5
i was saying that here in america, most people always go the easy route. keeping an open mind isn't that easy.
the second part i phrased wrong. i meant to say that someone who keeps an open mind will gladly take on the new information but hold on to the old, because we really don't know anything, really... all you know is what your senses tell you is around you and what your senses have told you in the past. you hear someone talking to you, you take that information in. you watch a movie and take that information in. if you're lucky, you can recall that information without any of it having been distorted by memory. but then their is the problem of communication as our own perception can cause us to take in information and immediately reject something or maybe we don't get all of the information and flaws become apparent when we can't relate our old information to the new...
damn it, i always lose my place.
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Post by alfonso on Feb 25, 2005 1:04:47 GMT -5
i was saying that here in america, most people always go the easy route. keeping an open mind isn't that easy. the second part i phrased wrong. i meant to say that someone who keeps an open mind will gladly take on the new information but hold on to the old, because we really don't know anything, really... all you know is what your senses tell you is around you and what your senses have told you in the past. you hear someone talking to you, you take that information in. you watch a movie and take that information in. if you're lucky, you can recall that information without any of it having been distorted by memory. but then their is the problem of communication as our own perception can cause us to take in information and immediately reject something or maybe we don't get all of the information and flaws become apparent when we can't relate our old information to the new... damn it, i always lose my place. I think you put it very well Andrew, and to Leedy, about your statement regarding my comment on the use of solos in Recovers songs, I was actually using a sarcastic tone to make light of the fact that NO, hardly any bands EVER do solos anymore, and my point was that yes, sometimes solos are VERY much needed in the song, and they can also be a perfect accent. However, I couldnt disagree with you more on your brash utterance stating that every song needs a solo, and that you "demand one". Not every song needs a guitar solo. ANd if every song had a guitar solo, things would start to get pretty damn boring, and predictable. Besides, you and I both know that it depends on the music too...If the song is experimental electronica, then a misplaced oddball guitar solo might sound pretty freakin ridiculous. Music is music, if a songwriter chooses to play a solo, then shit, let him play his heart out, and if not, it didnt make the song any less of a song, its all in how you take it in. |
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 25, 2005 1:11:58 GMT -5
leedy would say that if it wasn't metal it wasn't worth listening to.
about now is the time where someone will pipe in about how we take things to seriously on the message board, as if the whole point of the message board was to not have serious discussions and to make sarcastic remarks and see who you could make mad.
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Post by pigman on Feb 25, 2005 1:28:30 GMT -5
leedy, just because somebody has an open mind doesnt mean they have a weak opinion. the best description i can find is in this quote:
"there is no truth. there is only you and what you make the truth."
a person with an open mind can RESPECT somebody elses opinion, and realize the reasons why they might believe that. in no way does it mean that they have a weak opinion of their own. they can still believe that somebody is wrong, its just that they prefer not to be an ASS about it. they just can respect everyones right to think whatever the hell they want.
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Post by ylruC niatpaC on Feb 25, 2005 1:56:12 GMT -5
I usually think I can see both sides of an issue, which makes it hard to decide anything. I can understand why some people see things one way and the other side, another. However, I'm not totally open minded, and I don't really think anybody really truly can. People should try though, to put themselves in others shoes for a bit, and see what its like. I think in most cases, somebody would come out respecting them and their opinion to some degree.
Everybody's different, everybody's got their own opinions about things. If we can't respect them a bit, we'd be at each other's throats all the time.
Leedy, you do have some good points though. You definitely have to speak for yourself sometimes, or you get walked over. A person has to be selfish in this world, or they'll never get where they're trying to go or convey what they're trying to convey.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 25, 2005 2:28:42 GMT -5
i used to be pretty close-minded, then i got out of kodiak and realized that you do not know who is going to do what and for what reason. it took some work, but now it's not presumption and prejudice, it's curiosity and openness to others regardless of who they are.
Just about everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. If you offer it, they'll probably appreciate you more even before they really meet you. If i was close-minded, i would have a horrible time teaching some of these labs. There's a wide wide array of people in these classes, but it's nice to finally be able to get along with any of them.
This is more of what I think when someone says "open-minded"
This and what pigman said (ryan?)
But that's just me. It's probably not, but it could be. Can't rule out anything
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Post by Forrest on Feb 25, 2005 4:18:30 GMT -5
I already have decided on most of my opinions through examining them from the angles that people would attack them from and kept the ones that held up. I have been telling people that same thing for some time now. If you can't defend your opinions to me, then change them, because they are wrong. Anything you believe enough to argue about, you should at least be able to defend resaonably. I respect somone who's opinion is different than mine and well-grounded a lot more than I respect someone who agrees with me. I respect people who think for themselves, not people who think what I think. Take Justin for example. He listens to music I don't like. I listen to music he doesn't like. I respect him because he can defend his opinions to me, and I am pretty sure the same is true of him. As for the solos... every respectable Metal song demands a solo, because as amazing as this may be to some of you, I don't listen to Yngwie Malmsteen because I like the lyrics. Not that I listen to him more than once every week or two, but whatever. |
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 17:37:17 GMT -5
I have already told everyone on here that I'm closed minded. I don't care what you say. If you can defend your opinions and they're different than mine, then I can respect them. But I already have my own ideas and beliefs. I don't care about yours. Seriously, you have no idea how much I don't give a shit.
(Last sentence stolen from Forrest)
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Post by ylruC niatpaC on Feb 25, 2005 20:14:05 GMT -5
You must give enough of a shit that you want others to know that you don't give a shit.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 25, 2005 21:18:44 GMT -5
There is a very delicate balance between enough of a shit, and too much of a shit.
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Post by Forrest on Feb 26, 2005 0:35:55 GMT -5
I remember when I said that to Tyler Nussbaum. That has to be one of the best ZING!!s I have ever made.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 26, 2005 1:05:06 GMT -5
I have already told everyone on here that I'm closed minded. I don't care what you say. If you can defend your opinions and they're different than mine, then I can respect them. But I already have my own ideas and beliefs. I don't care about yours. Seriously, you have no idea how much I don't give a shit you wouldn't debate if you didn't give a shit. you would just sit on your high horse in silence (edit: like Bill Watterson, or JD Salinger) why do you express your opinions if you don't ever care enough about others' to try to change them with your own? |
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Post by Forrest on Feb 26, 2005 1:06:24 GMT -5
Because he is The Conundrum.
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