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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 21, 2005 20:55:50 GMT -5
so what happens when you play in 5 or 7? the snare hit may not be on the second and fourth beats. Tool does this a lot, and actually, their snare usually sounds pretty sweet too.
the only points you've made, leedy, are that you're really naive in the face of music, and that no matter how good you might get at the guitar, you won't know a good reason why you should be playing. like steve vai
if i listened to you play, the first thing i would criticize is your tone. the most important thing in drumming is the tuning. you can be a kick ass drummer, but have horrible sounding drums and no one will pay attention. if you have sweet tuning and play rather shitty, it will still sound alright or even good. it shows care and dedication, which is the foundation for any song regarless of genre. the reason you don't pay attention with your metal and jazz or whatever is because it's all produced by big labels with expensive studios where if you don't have a nice snare, they have a few dozen in the back room you they will choose from so that it sounds good so naive kids like you don't hear distractions that you're unclear of where they're coming from. You probably wouldn't listen to your metal a whole lot if the drums sounded like plastic sporks on mashed potatoes even if the potatoes were expensive.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 21, 2005 21:37:05 GMT -5
if i listened to you play, the first thing i would criticize is your tone. You probably wouldn't listen to your metal a whole lot if the drums sounded like plastic sporks on mashed potatoes even if the potatoes were expensive. We're kind of in the same boat, Tucker. I've never listened to Engine Down, and you've never listened to me play. I've been talking out of my ass on this whole thread and you finally called me on it. Congratulations. Also, that second bit I've quoted is the whole point I was trying to make. The actual tone should be far subordinate to what is being played on the instrument. If they sound awful, you'll notice, if they sound great, they'll support the song and it'll be awesome. Sorry for the stupid things I said. I bet I would agree about the snare sound if I actually listened to the song.
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 21, 2005 21:41:11 GMT -5
whoa, i'm confused now. what was the arguement?
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 22, 2005 4:01:01 GMT -5
the drums on demure go beyond par. they sound ridiculously well done. if they were par, i wouldn't mention them, like with a lot of music. but they did a burning hell of a job, especially with the snare. I'm biased in two ways; i myself occasionally sit down and hit some drums, and i plan to engineer music at least as a persistent hobby. maybe someday i'll record you and make sure your drummer has a good sound so that you don't have to pay attention to what the drums sound like. It's kind of a sad day when a musician stops hearing for things like that on a fully produced album/song.
edit: and no apology necessary, but thanks anyway. there was no offense taken if that was the reason. i just wanted to point it out to anyone reading that you have your head in your ass haha
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 22, 2005 17:41:00 GMT -5
I think we just wasted a good three pages of thread. Well, I wasted a good three pages of thread.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Feb 22, 2005 17:47:17 GMT -5
I guess what I've been trying to say the whole time is, I like it when people sound shitty. When the guitars sound thin and buzzy, the drums sound like they were recorded on a boombox, and you can't hear the bass, but you still think the band rocks. I also like it when you can hear that ever single note was meticulously engineered to sound perfect and beautiful and everything is awesome. There are two albums, by Iron Maiden incidentally, that exemplify both of these styles. Their self-titled first album, while not as poorly recorded as my description, sounds very sub-par from a recording perspective. And Powerslave, their fifth album, is a hugely polished Metal masterpiece where every guitar sounds huge, every drum beat is crushing, the vocals are immense and the bass cuts through everything. I can't decide. The songwriting is just as good if not better on Powerslave, but the band just sounds so intense and immediate on the first album. This is the dilemma of all musicians.
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Post by nautilus on Feb 22, 2005 18:03:20 GMT -5
shitty or (lo-fi) production seems to be really in right now. i.e. (the strokes or iron and wine) regardless of this i love how minus story's second album "moebius syndrome" sounds incredibly shitty. it just wouldn't be the same otherwise. this really goes back to what tim mentioned about respecting the songwriters though. under the knife - by minus story: countrycore.com/minusstory/Minus.Story_Under.the.Knife.mp3
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 23, 2005 5:05:33 GMT -5
I guess what I've been trying to say the whole time is, I like it when people sound shitty. When the guitars sound thin and buzzy, the drums sound like they were recorded on a boombox, and you can't hear the bass, but you still think the band rocks. I also like it when you can hear that ever single note was meticulously engineered to sound perfect and beautiful and everything is awesome. There are two albums, by Iron Maiden incidentally, that exemplify both of these styles. Their self-titled first album, while not as poorly recorded as my description, sounds very sub-par from a recording perspective. And Powerslave, their fifth album, is a hugely polished Metal masterpiece where every guitar sounds huge, every drum beat is crushing, the vocals are immense and the bass cuts through everything. I can't decide. The songwriting is just as good if not better on Powerslave, but the band just sounds so intense and immediate on the first album. This is the dilemma of all musicians. yah, recording quality has little to say about songwriting unless the musicians are engineering it. but heading into a studio with an amateur set-up and coming out with a professional quality sound is pretty sweet. i'm not really into the intentional lo-fi stuff where it's recorded in a sweet studio capable of crisp clean response but toned down and dirtied up for effect. it's just a gimmick and i'm not a fan of gimmicks. i'm more into people and passion and pushing the limits. i guarantee you i could appreciate maiden's first album as much as powerslave for their musical quality but good Lord, i've never been so knocked silly by the sound of a snare like cornbread's on demure
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Post by ylruC niatpaC on Feb 23, 2005 5:29:18 GMT -5
Lo-Fi blows. Especially when its done intentionally. The strokes might be a bit better if they didn't intentionally shititize their music.
But then again, I am a man who likes his wall of sound electric guitars and wailing vocals. I don't mind engineering (or even heavy engineering--which can be done right. see pink floyd for sure.) as long as it sounds cool. Of course people who heavily engineer usually sound shitty live, but not always.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 23, 2005 5:55:40 GMT -5
Lo-Fi blows. Especially when its done intentionally. The strokes might be a bit better if they didn't intentionally shititize their music. But then again, I am a man who likes his wall of sound electric guitars and wailing vocals. I don't mind engineering (or even heavy engineering--which can be done right. see pink floyd for sure.) as long as it sounds cool. Of course people who heavily engineer usually sound shitty live, but not always. i think the initial idea of engineering was to retrieve natural sound. in the beginning, mics were nowhere near as nice as they are now and only captured the general idea of what stuff sounded like. to get it sounding normal again, some signal processing was in order. but the future is also now, so people will manipulate, fudge, rig, and produce stuff into something that doesn't sound like it does live anymore. i was happy to find that the drums sounded just like the album live for demure and to bury within not so much for the self-titled
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Post by sleepyhead on Feb 24, 2005 2:25:22 GMT -5
i'm deleting every non-engine down post.
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Post by Forrest on Feb 24, 2005 2:29:35 GMT -5
Hey, why don't you give me some Engine Down so I can talk about it here? I like what I have heard, but that's just 3 songs. You totally owe me for the Placebo I gave you, which severely rocked your socks.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Feb 24, 2005 5:27:41 GMT -5
the three songs on purevolume? are those the three? www.purevolume.com/enginedowngo to www.enginedown.comthey have a little ED radio on there with a couple songs from demure and last i checked, one from to bury within the sound. i'll check again
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Mar 4, 2005 3:53:59 GMT -5
i do a beat in "The Politics of Doing It" that's directly influenced by cornbread
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Mar 19, 2005 21:12:20 GMT -5
Hey, why don't you give me some Engine Down so I can talk about it here? I like what I have heard, but that's just 3 songs. You totally owe me for the Placebo I gave you, which severely rocked your socks. did he ever give you that engine down? he'd best
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Post by sleepyhead on Mar 20, 2005 4:56:40 GMT -5
ah!
i remembered this like a week ago... but other wise i keep forgetting.
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Post by sleepyhead on Mar 23, 2005 18:17:44 GMT -5
i hope to see them in concert some day...
alfonso had the chance to see them three times as they passed through north carolina and virginia... and he didn't go...
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Mar 23, 2005 21:04:39 GMT -5
they sound just like the albums. i respect the hell out of that. and they have a lot of energy, but it's not over the top. very good show even without alcohol. am i like the only one that actually drinks that posts here?
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Post by Schmitt Industries Inc. on Mar 23, 2005 21:32:12 GMT -5
I can enjoy the occasional drink.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Mar 23, 2005 22:18:20 GMT -5
i feel like an alcoholic compared to you guys. i don't drink that much, really.
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