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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 17:47:25 GMT -5
No Andrew, you're giving yourself everything without any work. Every Beatles and Stones album from the sixties (including Sgt Pepper's) was recorded on an analog four-track and those guys came up with the most original recording techniques in the world. Every "experimental" loser of the last twenty years has had a million tracks to put whatever lame-ass crap he felt like onto his unlistenable crap-fest of an album, you know, like the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 17:49:28 GMT -5
hhhhh, well you know who else likes analog quality? emo/scene kids. are you a scene kid justin?
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 17:51:06 GMT -5
That's low, Andy. Really low.
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Post by niko on Nov 21, 2004 18:22:25 GMT -5
all i can say, is get with the times justin. what do recording companies use now to record stuff? deff not 4 tracks, they used them back in the day, becuase thats what there was. things change, and with technology, its always a BETTER change. dont be lame just becuase you think its "cool" to be like "the stones" it just makes you look like a loser whos trying way to hard to be differnt. but whatever man, use whatever you like, but to say we are "lamers" becuase we use what is there for us, and what is basicly easier to get the job done with, does not make you in any way cooler. there are two ways to get things done, the easy way, and the hard way. when it comes to recording music, im gonna go with the easier way. its not 1801, so dont act like you have to use old equipment to be cool.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:16:56 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that you should only use old equipment, I was just responding to the guys on this thread who wrote that you shouldn't waste your time on analog. If you have digital, use it, but don't treat it like another instrument. If you can't make your music sound good on an analog machine, then digital machines will just gloss over weak material.
Basically, good musicians will make good recordings no matter what medium they use. I prefer analog because it won't lie to me and make crap sound passable. The guys that think the only way to make good recordings is with a digital eight track are relying on the machine and not on the quality (or lack thereof) of their music.
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:22:52 GMT -5
ok wait. recording equipment has no effect on the song writing process unless it's techno or something. a good song with good music and musicianship shines even through analog. but to say that digital makes you a worse musician is ridiculous. analog can not hack it. you get fuzzyness on tapes, they wear out, and backround noise. digital allows you to get rid of that stuff if you know what you're doing. digital recording can be quite complicated. you have more options and therefore more problems.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:24:30 GMT -5
I never said digital makes you a worse musician. Digital recording can make a sloppy player sound good, which is really bad for anyone. And when people record digitally and layer their sloppiness on a hundred and four stereo tracks, it's just masturbation, not music.
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:29:00 GMT -5
i think it's about the same as redoing tracks over and over, no? you're doing it to get it sounding the way you want both ways. what's wrong with trying to make yourself sound better? who wants to buy a piece of crap by someone who didn't want to sound better?
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:31:05 GMT -5
If you have to layer your sound that much to get it to sound good, then you shouldn't be a musician. Stop wasting your time and maybe become a drummer.
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:33:13 GMT -5
i wouldn't talk about wasting time trying to be a musician justin...
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:35:27 GMT -5
What are you talking about? You're just taking cheap shots because you're out of legitimate arguments. It's pathetic, Andrew.
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:43:42 GMT -5
oh, you're such a saint...
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:45:42 GMT -5
You can see that just by looking at my frame picture and reading my personal text. Why haven't I been canonized by the church yet?
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:50:02 GMT -5
well if you want me to lay it out here it goes...
some music is simple. a couple of guitar parts, drums, and vocals. then believe it or not there are people who choose to add more sounds to their music, this way they can attain their goal more effectively by layering different instruments. music should be more about feeling* and the overall effect than trying to "be cool", which i have to admit, you're just too cool.
*feeling as in any emotion at all. anger/love/peace/blahblahblah.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:55:10 GMT -5
I have no problem at all with people adding other instruments to rock (or any music). I'm talking about the losers that layer the same weak guitar parts on fifty different tracks because their playing is so awful they have to do that to cover it up. Adding ambience is one thing, but that's not what I have a problem with. Even though I do think that too many instruments buries the song, I don't think that it's as bad as having one instrument layered to hell and back.
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Post by niko on Nov 21, 2004 19:57:01 GMT -5
Hey Forrest, everyone on hear that thinks analog four-tracks are crap are just lazy. I've recorded tons of music on my old Fostex and if you just put some time into the performance, it will sound great. Digital does NOT sound better and is generally a waste of money. For a four-track, you can by a bunch of standard cassettes and just record away because it works just like a VCR. Try it, man, it's awesome. |
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Post by sleepyhead on Nov 21, 2004 19:58:15 GMT -5
ok, now what do you mean by layering? because it seems to me you think they just take a track, multiply it, and then it "sounds good". what i think you mean is when they cut it, then start back up in the middle or wherever they messed up to try it again, as opposed to playing the entire song over. well guess what, everyone does that. they cut it, and pick it up from so and so measure or this and that part, and fix the mistake.
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 19:58:22 GMT -5
I mean when they play the whole song over and over and over and then pan each track out to a million different places because they can't make it sound good otherwise.
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Post by niko on Nov 21, 2004 19:58:46 GMT -5
I have no problem at all with people adding other instruments to rock (or any music). I'm talking about the losers that layer the same weak guitar parts on fifty different tracks because their playing is so awful they have to do that to cover it up. Adding ambience is one thing, but that's not what I have a problem with. Even though I do think that too many instruments buries the song, I don't think that it's as bad as having one instrument layered to hell and back. justin, have you even used recording software, and a real mixer before? becuase if you think that layering ANYTHING more then 4 times, which is A LOT, makes something sound good, then you have no idea at all what you are trying to talk about. you have no point of argument. |
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Post by Justin Leedy on Nov 21, 2004 20:02:51 GMT -5
Nic, I don't play the same thing on each track. Each track gets its own instrument (1-guitar, 2-bass, 3-drums, 4-vocals or whatever). That is a lot different than the sloppy assholes that have tracks 1-50 as guitar and 3 or 4 tracks of bass all playing the same thing on top of each other.
And yeah, I have used a "real" mixer and computer recording software. I didn't like them.
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