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Post by Snox on Jan 11, 2005 21:46:25 GMT -5
Those of you that were in my A/V class this morning probably already know this, but... This morning at the Macworld Expo in San Fran, Apple introduced several things. Those that would be realevant to these forums are the Mac Mini, Garageband 2 (in iLife '05) and the iPod Shuffle. Garageband 2 has been upgraded with some awesome features. One that really makes me go wow that's sweet is that when you record, it displays all the musical notation with standard music notes, rests and all that jazz (no pun intended). It also supports importing MIDIs, create loops, and even use your standard keyboard to play music/notes on. You can even tune your instrument on it so your music you record is the best of the best! The Mac Mini is a tiny computer that's only $499! Cheapest mac of all time. It doesn't have any keyboard, monitor but at that price, it freakin rules. Also the iPod shuffle is $100 for a 512MB and 150 for a 1GB flash based ipod that's smaller than a pack of Trident gum, and weighs less than 4 quarters.
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Post by sleepyhead on Jan 11, 2005 21:51:20 GMT -5
yeah, that's some cool stuff. i'm starting to look more at macs now for recording, especially since i'm going into that class to focus on audio production. i've never been big on macs because of the price and how it's kind of hard to replace parts and stuff. but they're growing on me.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Jan 11, 2005 22:03:18 GMT -5
for audio and video recording and production/editing, hands down, go with mac
cool edit for pc is good, but expensive and not as good as pro tools
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Post by sleepyhead on Jan 11, 2005 22:14:06 GMT -5
i think i would get that mac mini if it had a faster processor. ryan said you can get a gig of ram for an extra $50 on it.
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Post by Snox on Jan 12, 2005 3:04:22 GMT -5
hmm, not quite. On apple's site, to upgrade to a gig of ram it's another 475 dollars which is atrocious.
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Post by sleepyhead on Jan 12, 2005 3:07:47 GMT -5
ahhhhh!!!!!!!
nevermind. tch, stupid macs. who needs a computer anyway? *looks over shoulder to make sure noone sees that he's using a computer*
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Post by James on Jan 12, 2005 18:34:47 GMT -5
but they're growing on me. Que The Darkness! "You're really growing on me!"
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Jan 12, 2005 19:25:04 GMT -5
the fairhaven fully digital recording console's computer has something like 2.05 gigs of ram and good Lord it's nice. There's absolutely no waiting for anything. if you're planning on using your new little mac for music, you'd best get that 512 meg ram to keep up. more if affordable. they usually double your ram for a quick 100 or 70 if you're a student (256 -> 512)
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Post by ylruC niatpaC on Jan 13, 2005 1:25:54 GMT -5
The mac mini is hardly useful for anybody that wants to do any real audio production. It's THE entry level mac for people who don't want to spend a thousand bucks on a computer and just want to surf the net, do some minor design work, and play a few games here and there. Besides, it costs too damn much to stick more ram in it.
If you're looking for something for audio, you'd be fine with the entry level powermac or even the emac (not the greatest, but faster processsor, better video card, and easier to upgrade ram than mac mini). Or go with a past model Powermac G4, which would be fine too. These probably can be found on ebay for about 1000 bucks or less.
Seems like macs are the better thing for the creative people out there....but is it worth the price for a decent machine? That's up to you.
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Post by sleepyhead on Jan 13, 2005 1:30:03 GMT -5
yeah, that's what i was saying. it's really not all that great. my sony vaio is more powerful. i would only get the mac if it had a faster cpu and more ram.
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Post by niko on Jan 13, 2005 17:04:39 GMT -5
for audio and video recording and production/editing, hands down, go with mac cool edit for pc is good, but expensive and not as good as pro tools any hardware that a mac has, a pc also has, but better. the only thing mac has over pc for editing is the programs. which are all slowly coming out for pc. mac's are over priced, geared toward flashyness and selling to those who don't know what they need.
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Post by niko on Jan 13, 2005 17:09:24 GMT -5
the fairhaven fully digital recording console's computer has something like 2.05 gigs of ram and good Lord it's nice. There's absolutely no waiting for anything. if you're planning on using your new little mac for music, you'd best get that 512 meg ram to keep up. more if affordable. they usually double your ram for a quick 100 or 70 if you're a student (256 -> 512) or, you could buy a stick of ram for around 55 dollars and put it in yourself. and, 2 gigs of ram is not gonna run much smoother, if any, than a gig of ram. unles you have a huge program open, or over 10 good size programs, you won't even touch that other gig. and, the loading time is not the ram, more ram only helps loading time to a point. after that, it's your hhd. all loading STARTS there, giving more ram is a buffer, the source of the info has to also speed up for dramatic loading increses.
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Post by ylruC niatpaC on Jan 13, 2005 17:47:40 GMT -5
any hardware that a mac has, a pc also has, but better. the only thing mac has over pc for editing is the programs. which are all slowly coming out for pc. mac's are over priced, geared toward flashyness and selling to those who don't know what they need. The PC has the hardware going for it, sure. But as far as usability, software (other than games) and experience, I'd go with a mac any day. They also keep their value much better. If you ever order an ipod or mac computer, you'll see what I mean. These people design this stuff with precision care. Oh, and Garageband, Final Cut, and the rest of them are never going to be ported to PC.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Jan 13, 2005 19:14:41 GMT -5
or, you could buy a stick of ram for around 55 dollars and put it in yourself. and, 2 gigs of ram is not gonna run much smoother, if any, than a gig of ram. unles you have a huge program open, or over 10 good size programs, you won't even touch that other gig. and, the loading time is not the ram, more ram only helps loading time to a point. after that, it's your hhd. all loading STARTS there, giving more ram is a buffer, the source of the info has to also speed up for dramatic loading increses. 24+ wave files recording/playing at the same time takes a lot of memory to run smoothly, especially with automation, signal and effects processing, and different amounts and types of verb, also possibly automated. period
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Jan 13, 2005 19:16:22 GMT -5
any hardware that a mac has, a pc also has, but better. the only thing mac has over pc for editing is the programs. which are all slowly coming out for pc. mac's are over priced, geared toward flashyness and selling to those who don't know what they need. macs also have superior protection against spyware, adware and viruses. better programs and more reliable to stay in shape. as of now, anyway. they're flashy because they have people who care at the drawing tables. i think the price difference is well worth it for easier more convenient computing. get a pc if you're a gamer. period
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Post by niko on Jan 13, 2005 22:02:34 GMT -5
The PC has the hardware going for it, sure. But as far as usability, software (other than games) and experience, I'd go with a mac any day. They also keep their value much better. If you ever order an ipod or mac computer, you'll see what I mean. These people design this stuff with precision care. Oh, and Garageband, Final Cut, and the rest of them are never going to be ported to PC. final cut pro is on pc.
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Post by niko on Jan 13, 2005 22:02:53 GMT -5
24+ wave files recording/playing at the same time takes a lot of memory to run smoothly, especially with automation, signal and effects processing, and different amounts and types of verb, also possibly automated. period my statment still stands.
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Post by niko on Jan 13, 2005 22:05:25 GMT -5
macs also have superior protection against spyware, adware and viruses. better programs and more reliable to stay in shape. as of now, anyway. they're flashy because they have people who care at the drawing tables. i think the price difference is well worth it for easier more convenient computing. get a pc if you're a gamer. period macs are not "big" enough for someone to really care about making a virus for. that's all there is to it. you can't hold it against pc that they can get viri, that has nothing to do with the computer itself. if you want to pay 1200 dollars for a computer that is 2 years behind in hardware tech, then go for it, i'm not gonna stop you.
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Post by cifirrekcuT on Jan 14, 2005 2:13:23 GMT -5
my statment still stands. sure it does the 2.05 gig ram is necessary but wait a minute... macs aren't popular enough to design viruses for? how much bigger do they need to be? there are hackers working on viruses right now and they have been. macs are just superior in protection. i'm curious to where you get your information. are you making it up?
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Post by niko on Jan 14, 2005 3:39:02 GMT -5
sure it does the 2.05 gig ram is necessary but wait a minute... macs aren't popular enough to design viruses for? how much bigger do they need to be? there are hackers working on viruses right now and they have been. macs are just superior in protection. i'm curious to where you get your information. are you making it up? scripts = how most everything on computers runs, or is executed. viri = scripts. if you can make a script, you can make a virus. macs use the same concept as a pc does. becuase a mac has a good secuirity feature makes it a better computer? since you're fond of speding a lot of money, why don't you just get a nice fire wall and anti virus for your pc, i'd be willing to bet you wouldn't get any viri. but, that has nothing to do with your computer being good, like i said before. so far the only thing you have going for your argument, is that they aren't as susceptible to viri. i don't know about you, but the viri i've gotten on my pc were all from me downloading stuff i shouldn't have, ie, illegal programs and such. so if the computer illiterate user, mac's target, uses his machine "legally," there is no chance of him even getting a virus anyways. suddenly, this added protection sounds more like insurance for a idiot proof plan, rather than practicality. to me, mac is a huge rip off. they are the only makers of their product, so they can charge a lot. they have a rep of being user friendly becuase they make things easy for idiots. the look really cool, which we all know, makes the computer good. and they, for some reason, think the smaller things are, the better, even if it's stuffed with tech that's way past it's prime. but the thing i find most interesting, is that these so called "video editing machines" have relativly crappy video cards in them. aside from the 5000 dollar g5, that is. i'd also like to add that most of the time their sound and video cards are onboard, which, you may or may not know, means it uses alocated system memory and the cpu's clock cycle to run it, rather than each, the sound card and video card, having their own cpu and ram. all of this adds up to a big lag machine. but like i said, this is just why i don't like mac's. maybe i'm biased, maybe i'm just ignorant, or maybe i just like thigns that are not expensive. but, one thing's for sure, and that's macs are ungoldy priced for their performance.
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