Garageband 2, Mac Mini, iPod Shuffle

[cifirrekcuT]

to upgrade your stock pc to the audio recording/editing quality of a mac initially equipped with more than adequate capabilities would cost more than the mac.

my roommate has never seen a virus or spyware/adware on his mac and he downloads just as much as i do. my computer's a pile right now because of this and the programs I've got to get rid of the problems (legitimately and legally bought and installed) do not solve the problem.
Beyond just my roommate, i have off the top of my head, three close friends that also have macs and do the same downloading as i and also have never seen a virus or spyware/adware. the representatives of mac and circumstantial evidence tell me that macs have superior protection from these unwantables.

your tech talk may sound secure, but it doesn't override observation. you can read all the texts you want, but none of it makes sense unless you do it yourself. do you have a mac and a pc at your fingertips? i do and i have had to restore my pc and even reformat the c drive on more than one occasion to get her to work straight again because of the faulty protection from my firewall and ad-blocker. the mac has never had a problem and runs just as well as the day it was bought and just as quickly with no interruptions or delays.

as for mac targeting the computer illiterate, yah it might take a little adjusting to the common single clicker and the close box being on the left side of the window, but it would be well worth the price considering that it already has recording programs and the like on the hard drive complimentary just for choosing it. No need to buy more crap to accessorize like with a pc.
isn't the goal for all computer companies to make the general personal computer, including macs, as simple to use as possible? so any idiot can operate one? do you have a hard time operating a non-mac pc? it's been pretty simple so far for me. maybe you're just bitter toward apple because macs are starting to truly surpass pc's in performance and protection in stock form, which was not always the case.

[niko]

i'm not doubting mac's virus protection. there are, to my knowlege, no major, if any, viri for mac's. i give you that. but i've never based my judgement on how well it's going to fight off a virus, that's what my fire wall and antivirus are for, not the rest of my computer.

if you think a mac can out perform a pc, then you need to check your reviews again. every test a loaded g5 has had against a built pc has show the pc to blow away the g5. the only thing the mac won in was the mac based programs that pc doen't even have. all normal applications, and shared programs, the mac fell on it's face. and it's funny, becuase the g5 has way more ram and dual processors. which, oddly enough, doesn't do much for the computer, becuase the second cpu sits idle most of the time. and mac's new thing is how they are 64 bit, and how much better that is. well, sure, one paper 64 bit is better. but since none of the progams have been tweaked like the 32 bit apps have, 32 is still better. and it will be until 64 bit apps become more common, and i don't see that happening for another 2 years, atleast. and by that time, your g5 will be a paper weight. so you can buy into this great tech that is not even practical yet.

windows is not perfect, not at all. if you just install your programs, legal ones or not, you computer, over time, will slow down. you know that, i know that. but what i'm getting from you, is that you don't know how to manage your pc. which has nothing to do with how good your computer is. learning how to keep your pc running like the day it was bought, is how i make some of my money, and how i will make a living here shortly. if you really have that much trouble with your computer, then you are doing something wrong, or not doing anything to stop it.

to pay half the price, for the same, spec wise, computer, seems a lot better to me. all you need to do is learn how to take care of your baby, and it will take care of you

[ylruC niatpaC]

All I can say is that once I started using macs, I never wanted to go back.

When I'm on a mac, I feel like it was crafted for quality. (Except when I'm on some of the low-end cheap models--emac anyone?) There's some pride and joy that obviously goes into making these machines. They come preloaded with great useful software too.

When I'm on Windows, I feel like I'm on some generic crap. I feel like I'm in the Walmart of the computer world. Microsoft doesn't have to keep innovation up to keep its users. They aren't going to move because windows does an adequate job, and the computers are cheap as hell. Apple has to innovate like hell to stay in business in the market. Their stuff is like it always has been though. Well crafted with a bit more innovation than everybody else.

Now I know that the high end PCs can blow the high end macs out of the water... (except good ol' photoshop with 64bit processing power).but really not by that much in the end.

I'll keep driving my BMW of the computer world.

[niko]

you keep driving yours. and i'll keep driving my dodge viper of the computer world.

but don't worry, i'll smile and wave as a pass you by

[ylruC niatpaC]

Sorry, Dodge Vipers suck. Never have liked them, never will.

Besides, I bet mine will ride smoother than yours. Pure speed isn't everything.

[niko]

Richard said:

Sorry, Dodge Vipers suck.

if you think a dodge viper, the fastest stock car for under 100 thoug in the world, sucks, then i just lost all repsect for you.

[niko]

Richard said:

All I can say is that once I started using macs, I never wanted to go back.

When I'm on a mac, I feel like it was crafted for quality. (Except when I'm on some of the low-end cheap models--emac anyone?) There's some pride and joy that obviously goes into making these machines. They come preloaded with great useful software too.

When I'm on Windows, I feel like I'm on some generic crap. I feel like I'm in the Walmart of the computer world. Microsoft doesn't have to keep innovation up to keep its users. They aren't going to move because windows does an adequate job, and the computers are cheap as hell. Apple has to innovate like hell to stay in business in the market. Their stuff is like it always has been though. Well crafted with a bit more innovation than everybody else.

Now I know that the high end PCs can blow the high end macs out of the water... (except good ol' photoshop with 64bit processing power).but really not by that much in the end.

I'll keep driving my BMW of the computer world.

oh, and i wanted to add:

anyone who ever switches from a mac to a pc, or a pc to a mac always says the same thing "this one is so much better." "i will never look back."

well, this is for a few reasons. one, is that you only buy a new computer when your current one is out dated, can we all agree on this? a normal person uses a computer until it is incapable of doing what he or she needs it for, then buys a new one. at this point, the new computer that is bought, is an upgrade compared to their old machine, right? so, it's only natural for someone to say, "omg, this mac is so much better than my old pc." or, "omg, this pc is so much better than my old mac." now, i'm sure both of you are gonna say, "no no no, i've used them both and i like mac's better because blah blah blah." but that IS why you hear everyone saying they will never look back, becuase their upgrade was a big jump, so they are gonna think the company is better.

[ylruC niatpaC]

Well it all boils down to personal choice. Everybody's different, and thus they will like and dislike different things.

I don't like Dodge Vipers. I think they look shitty, and I'd take plenty of classic cars over one. I'll stand by that because its my opinion. You're welcome to yours. I think Windows sucks monkey ass, and that's my opinion.

-the dude

[cifirrekcuT]

i've got the tech guy for the Kodiak Island Borough School District managing my computer over the phone. the only difference when a problem occurs is that he's not the one with his hand on the mouse and keyboard, but everything he says gets done to my pc. He crafted it himself and quite impressively. I've got these connections through my dad. This tech guy recommended to my dad that i get a mac instead of a pc since i was going into a creative field of music and art (as a hobby). But my dad said that he wants me to have a computer for word processing and internet use primarily. I've lost my word processor sometime between now and when i got the computer for my 20th birthday so I started using it for seinfeld episode storage instead. I may not know exactly how to take care of my baby myself, but i've got an awesome guy to take advice from and I've learned a lot over the years. i'm not into script or so much dos stuff (unless the tech guy instructs me) but the windows friendly operations, i'm comfortable with.
as for one computer being better than the other, you can beef up a mac so that it's 'better' than your average pc and vice versa. that wasn't the original concern. a mac, upon purchase, is better and cheaper for someone wanting to manipulate photos and music than a pc. and upgrades are relatively cheap. you'd end up ahead with a mac purchase. and since there are virtually no viruses for mac, that's one less thing you have to worry about.

i saw a dodge viper in anchorage a few years back. they're smaller than i thought they would be. i imagine the dodge might burn out and pile up well before the bmw. amurican made is all about the dumb average american where speed is everything. aston martin v8 vantage is the way to go, but it's not under 100 thou. automatic camber angle control to keep the rear tires square on the road for maximum power transfer and grip on any uneven terrain. excellent

[niko]

tucker said:

i've got the tech guy for the Kodiak Island Borough School District managing my computer over the phone. the only difference when a problem occurs is that he's not the one with his hand on the mouse and keyboard, but everything he says gets done to my pc. He crafted it himself and quite impressively. I've got these connections through my dad. This tech guy recommended to my dad that i get a mac instead of a pc since i was going into a creative field of music and art (as a hobby). But my dad said that he wants me to have a computer for word processing and internet use primarily. I've lost my word processor sometime between now and when i got the computer for my 20th birthday so I started using it for seinfeld episode storage instead. I may not know exactly how to take care of my baby myself, but i've got an awesome guy to take advice from and I've learned a lot over the years. i'm not into script or so much dos stuff (unless the tech guy instructs me) but the windows friendly operations, i'm comfortable with.
as for one computer being better than the other, you can beef up a mac so that it's 'better' than your average pc and vice versa. that wasn't the original concern. a mac, upon purchase, is better and cheaper for someone wanting to manipulate photos and music than a pc. and upgrades are relatively cheap. you'd end up ahead with a mac purchase. and since there are virtually no viruses for mac, that's one less thing you have to worry about.

i saw a dodge viper in anchorage a few years back. they're smaller than i thought they would be. i imagine the dodge might burn out and pile up well before the bmw. amurican made is all about the dumb average american where speed is everything. aston martin v8 vantage is the way to go, but it's not under 100 thou. automatic camber angle control to keep the rear tires square on the road for maximum power transfer and grip on any uneven terrain. excellent

who is your tech, i probably know him.

a mac is not cheaper, it is not faster, and it is not better than a stock pc with the same performance. and upgrades are none excistant on a mac unless you have one of the few tower models. you can build a pc for even cheaper, one that is even suitable for gaming for under 800.

a dodge viper is made for speed, that's it. you don't buy a race car unless you want to go fast. with that being said, you also don't but a 250 thou+ martin for anything other than the name and classyness. both are dumb american choices. so we can both have fantisies about cars that we will never have though, i'm a lot closer to getting my dream car than you will ever be to getting yours. there you go with wanting to spend too much money again

[cifirrekcuT]

i don't think you're reading what i'm writing well enough. a pc with the same audio/video qualities immediately available on a mac would cost more than your average higher end mac because of the extra software you would need to match the mac right off the shelf *with the same immediate audio/video recording/editing capabilities*

seeing as i'll soon be making over twice of anything you might bring in, i can easily afford my sweet car that i do know some things about as soon as you can afford yours.
the vantage is a leisure car, not a racer, but it can perform if needed. i think it had something like a 212mph max speed and a 0-60 in something like 6 seconds (in 2001). i never really thought of the viper to be a race car. just a flashy sports car that happens to be one of the fastest in it's class.

(Gregg Hacker is the tech guy for the maintenance department)

[niko]

tucker said:

i don't think you're reading what i'm writing well enough. a pc with the same audio/video qualities immediately available on a mac would cost more than your average higher end mac because of the extra software you would need to match the mac right off the shelf *with the same immediate audio/video recording/editing capabilities*

seeing as i'll soon be making over twice of anything you might bring in, i can easily afford my sweet car that i do know some things about as soon as you can afford yours.

the vantage is a leisure car, not a racer, but it can perform if needed. i think it had something like a 212mph max speed and a 0-60 in something like 6 seconds (in 2001). i never really thought of the viper to be a race car. just a flashy sports car that happens to be one of the fastest in it's class.

(Gregg Hacker is the tech guy for the maintenance department)

with the software added in with it, yes, a mac would most liklly be cheaper, in that case. that's just kinda funny to me, though. seeing has how mac targets people who know nothing about computers with their marketing. and for anyone that doesn't know it already, you can download basicly every program ever made, so why buy it?

you would have to be making over 20 times what i make right now to be able to "easily afford" an aston martin. and how far behind, career wise, do you think i am compared to you?

the viper is made 100% for speed. that's it. what else would you do with it?

[cifirrekcuT]

haha

you really have a hard time understanding what i'm saying. if your viper costs 100 thou, my vantage costs upwards of 300 thou, then by the time you can buy yours, i'll be able to buy mine, seeing as i'm so obviously going to be making well over 2 times more than you, right?

and wouldn't it be nicer to have the sweet recording/editing programs virus and spyware/adware free? instead of downloading them illegally?

how are those vipers with handling? they have races in portland on a weekly basis. free racing, actually, where there is no winning, but you can go around the track as quickly as you can without hitting other cars (hopefully).

[sleepyhead]

i think i'll have to go with the vw bus...

[ylruC niatpaC]

Two Words.

Ford Pinto. (Oh, yeah!!! BITCHIN!!!!)

Either that or a Delorian. If I got a car that was worth 100 thou, I'd sell it and buy a bunch of sweet classic cars.

Then I'd take a big dump in the CD tray of a Dell. Dude, what's wrong with your Dell? I just took a goddam shit in it, that's what.

Does warranty cover that?

Apple's would. (maybe.)

[niko]

FedEx said:

Two Words.

Ford Pinto. (Oh, yeah!!! BITCHIN!!!!)

Either that or a Delorian. If I got a car that was worth 100 thou, I'd sell it and buy a bunch of sweet classic cars.

Then I'd take a big dump in the CD tray of a Dell. Dude, what's wrong with your Dell? I just took a goddam shit in it, that's what.

Does warranty cover that?

Apple's would. (maybe.)

i know see why you think pc's suck.

[niko]

tucker said:

haha

you really have a hard time understanding what i'm saying. if your viper costs 100 thou, my vantage costs upwards of 300 thou, then by the time you can buy yours, i'll be able to buy mine, seeing as i'm so obviously going to be making well over 2 times more than you, right?

and wouldn't it be nicer to have the sweet recording/editing programs virus and spyware/adware free? instead of downloading them illegally?


how are those vipers with handling? they have races in portland on a weekly basis. free racing, actually, where there is no winning, but you can go around the track as quickly as you can without hitting other cars (hopefully).

free is the best kind of good.

and vipers are good on handling, but, as is everything with over 500 hp, the back end is known to squirm.

[ylruC niatpaC]

nikosbmx said:

i know see why you think pc's suck.

In other words, this argument really isn't going anywhere. That's what I was conveying there in a strangely complex sort of way.

Jackalope introduced the facts, and we really haven't progressed in any sort of way since the beginning, other than the odd fact that we went from talking about Apple Products to fast cars. Oh, wait...maybe it was my goddam metaphor that did that. Oh well...

Cheers,

-the dude

[niko]

no, i was talking about your reference to dell computers. clearly, dell signifies what pc's are all about.

sigh.

[ylruC niatpaC]

Well if it clears things up any, I'd take a dump in a Gateway or even on a Windows Install CD. My rectum is not really biased toward one company in particular. Hell, and if my mac started to act like trash, I'd probably take a shit in there too.

BTW, I don't think this is going anywhere but I'm posting anyway for some reason.

-the dude